Rasizm w Asatru

Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez KozioU » poniedziałek, 28 marca 2011, 22:23

Znalazłem bardzo ciekawy tekst o spojrzeniu na sprawę rasy wśród różnych odłamów Asatru. Mogę pod tym tekstem podpisać się wszystkimi kończynami.
http://uppsalaonline.com/uppsala/racism.htm
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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez Szerszen » wtorek, 29 marca 2011, 09:17

W istocie...
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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez Ulf » wtorek, 29 marca 2011, 10:02

Okazuje sie ze nawet "kaplani Odyna" ogarnieci berserkerskim szalem potrafia pisac sensowne rzeczy :twisted:

I am a member of the Asatru faith, and a priest of Odin. I have worked with the runes and with Odin in one way or another for sixteen years. I have been involved in Norse style religion for ten years. I have been Asatru for six years. I have been practicing the berserkergang for four years.


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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez KozioU » wtorek, 29 marca 2011, 12:44

Przejrzałem resztę strony i choć pod względem brunatności jest OK, to inne rzeczy mi się nie podobają. Na przykład kult Lokiego jaki uprawia i opisuje autor.


[Posty dotyczące kultu Lokiego zostały przeniesione do działu Mitologia - tutaj.
Posty dotyczące Berserkgangru zostały wydzielone do odrębnego wątku - tutaj.] E.
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Jarsaxa Scale

Postprzez Ulf » piątek, 24 czerwca 2011, 09:09

Ponizsza skala pozwala w latwy i prosty sposob sprawdzic jak wazna role w Asatru odgrywaja dla nas pojecia rasy, krwi, pochodzenia, kregu kulturowego itp. Czyli dalszy ciag neverending story - Asatru a rasizm :)

The Jarnsaxa Scale is an informal scale of racial and cultural tolerances in Ásatrú written by Kriselda Jarnsaxa (known as Jarnsaxa Thorskona when the scale was originally written). Please attribute any copying or publishing of this scale appropriately.

What is it?

As in all organized religions, there are issues in Ásatrú where not all of the practitioners are of one mind. Sadly, one of the most contentious issues in Ásatrú revolves around how open the religion is to people who are not of Northern European/Teutonic racial and/or cultural heritage. Not surprisingly, this is an issue that is very emotionally charged, and it is often difficult to conduct civil discussions on the various positions that are held. To try and remove some of the overt emotionalism that often accompanies this topic, and to try to help clarify what the range of viewpoints are, I have created a fairly basic scale that provides summaries of the most common viewpoints I have encountered or been otherwise made aware of. I would like to thank Doug from Texas who has provided assistance in editing and refining this scale. The descriptions are written from the perspective of one who holds that viewpoint. It should be noted that at the furthest ends of the scale, the beliefs held may come across as more extreme, and I have tried to indicate this without belittling the holder of the viewpoint or the holder itself. I have also tried to eliminate as much inflammatory language as possible, and to avoid implying any judgments or personal feelings I may have about any particular viewpoint.

Validity of Included Viewpoints

Inclusion of a viewpoint on this scale does not mean that it is in any way generally accepted as a "valid" viewpoint by the Ásatrú community in general, only that there are people who call themselves Ásatrú and hold that particular viewpoint.

The Scale

1. Ásatrú is an open religion which anyone can join. There are, however, certain things that must be done in certain ways, certain points of theology that must be strictly adhered to and certain beliefs that must be held. Anyone who doesn't agree with all of these points simply isn't Tru and can be deemed "traitors" to the Gods. One of these points that everyone must agree to is that Ásatrú is open to people of all races, and those who believe otherwise are not welcome and should be actively denounced so that there is no confusion of their beliefs with those of real Ásatrúar. I will only worship alongside those who follow the same beliefs.

2. Anyone who wants to become Ásatrú can, regardless of racial or cultural history. Individuals have the freedom to choose any religion to follow, and I will defend and uphold that right. All are welcome to my Kindred and I will worship alongside any Tru man or woman.

3. As the ties to the Aesir and Vanir are often ties to our ancestors (racial, cultural or ethnic), it is more unusual for those of non-Northern European heritage to be Ásatrú, but it is not impossible. I accept that the Gods and Goddesses will call to them whomever they choose and will worship alongside any Tru man or woman.

4. Only those of Northern European background can truly follow the path of Ásatrú. This does not imply that people of other races are in any way "less" than those of Teutonic heritage, only that they are different. All races and ethnic groups are equal in freedom to make a life of worth, and the theologies and pantheons that are connected to a non-Northern European heritage are every bit as valid and important as Ásatrú. By the same token, all non-Teutonic ethnic paths are just as closed to me as Ásatrú is to others. I feel it is of greatest value to follow the path of the your cultural and ethnic background, as these forces have had a great impact on who you are. Because I acknowledge and respect the validity of the various paths, however, I am willing worship with those who respect our Gods but are not of our path or ethnic group, and will certainly worship with any Tru man or woman.

5. Only those of Northern European heritage can be Ásatrú, and Northern European races should separate from all other races. This does not imply that people of other races are in any way "less" than those of Teutonic heritage, only that they are different and that we have an obligation to keep the Northern European blood pure in honor of our Gods. There may even be merit in allying with other races who also value the separation of racial and ethnic groups and religious paths. I will only worship alongside those who are also of Teutonic heritage.

6. Only those of Northern European heritage can be Ásatrú and the European races and ethnic groups are superior to all other races and ethnic groups. Aryans are the only true humans, and as such have an obligation to keep the racial and ethnic blood pure. If the only way to achieve this is to rid the world of the lesser races, then so be it. Only true Aryans can worship the Aesir and Vanir.



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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez Szerszen » piątek, 24 czerwca 2011, 09:24

Ja się plasuję między 2 a 3. Wiekszy luzak jestem ot co ;-)
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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez Thorbiern » piątek, 24 czerwca 2011, 16:39

Dla mnie decydujące w tym kontekście jest wola jednostki (i nic innego, no oczywiście poza odzewem ze strony Bogów). Chociaż, idąc za ciosem, dlaczego miałbym odbierać prawo "praktykowania Asatru" masochistom, których bogowie mają gdzieś :lol: Tym samym 2 określa moje podejście najlepiej.
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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez KozioU » niedziela, 26 czerwca 2011, 15:41

Między 2 a 3.
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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez Tyrsson Ulvhjerte » wtorek, 5 lipca 2011, 14:52

Ja z kolei czytałem gdzieś, że niektóre grupy za "prawdziwych" asatryjczyków uznają tylko ludzi, kórzy mają germańskie korzenie...

Hmmm, czyli w Polsce niemal każdy biorąc pod uwagę Prusów, Niemców, wikińskich najeźdźców/najemnych jakby tak podrążyć to chyba z 75% Polaków miało germanina wśród swych przodków, co pozwlałoby mówić "mam te cholerne germańskie korzenie, może nie za mocne, ale mam"

A dla mnie to jakaś bzdura.
W końcu co się dla nas liczy? Kolor skóry, narodowość, czy wyznawane idee i prawdy którymi się kierujemy?

I jak wyżej coś między 2 a 3. Na pewno nie 1, a tym bardziej 6, bo to mi już tak trąci tym z czym przysięgałem walczyć, że... no nieważne.
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Re: Rasizm w Asatru

Postprzez xxx » wtorek, 5 lipca 2011, 23:55

Też między 2 a 3.
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